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How a Podcast Revisits Milestones of Asian American Representation in the ‘Star Trek’ Universe

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With the third season of “ Star Trek: Discovery ” airing its finale on Thursday, Jan. 7, it is difficult to overstate what a significant milestone this season marked for representation across the franchise.

Case in point, the series introduced a romantic relationship between the first non-binary and transgender characters in the “Star Trek” universe, played respectively by a non-binary and a trans actor.

This recent spotlight on inclusive casting is part of an extended conversation that longtime fans like Phil Yu have been following over the years. To celebrate the steppingstones, Yu, who founded the “Angry Asian Man” blog centering on Asian American representation in Hollywood, launched a podcast in August, on which he hosts hour-long conversations with “All the Asians on ‘Star Trek.'”

While Yu half-jokingly titled his podcast, he tells  Variety  now that “the name points out that there are just enough [Asians] involved to make a podcast out of it but not so many that it isn’t impossible to actually interview every Asian person on ‘Star Trek.'”

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“Because you could never make a podcast called all the white people on ‘Star Trek,'” he adds.

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Since its debut, the podcast has featured actors Clyde Kusatsu, Michelle Krusiec and Grace Lynn Kung, as well as writers Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt, many of whom Yu has known from running his blog for two decades. Conversations with actors cover everything from booking a cameo role in one episode of a series, getting on set and transforming into that character with costumes and make-up; with writers he discusses building new roles that belong in that universe.

In an early episode, actor Tim Lounibos discusses how the writers reimagined his biracial identity in creating Lieutenant Danny Kwan, a character with a recognizable Chinese American last name.

“Based on what I’ve seen, it doesn’t really seem like the writers thought much of it — they went as far to create a character who was Asian,” says Yu. “And I think a lot of times, based on my conversations, it’s really the actors who are embodying and breathing into life that aspects of their identities.”

“Star Trek” has indeed pushed the boundaries for diverse casting, ever since the original TV series cast a Black woman, Nichelle Nichols, and Asian American man, George Takei, in 1966. But in Yu’s podcast, guests unpack the flaw of a universe in which race doesn’t exist.

“There’s very little that touches on how anybody’s racial or cultural identity impacts what they’re bringing to their characters,” says Yu. “Getting to talk to these actors is a way of asking, ‘Being one of the few Asian Americans on set, being involved in this production, what part of the character, for you, was Asian American?’ Their approach to ‘Star Trek’ as Asian actors, it’s an interesting thought process that we don’t get to see on screen.”

In speaking to his interview with Keone Young, who portrayed Buck Bokai in “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,” Yu says, “Keone plays a baseball player, and it’s such a small moment in the entire series but his character is so memorable. As he says, he brought his character the history of baseball in the Japanese American community, which is very rich, very storied. It adds that extra wrinkle to the character.”

Yu has no immediate plans on speaking with Vietnamese American actor Ian Alexander but hopes to eventually invite him once their newly introduced character arc further unfolds.

He also wants to bring on actors who were series regulars of past “Star Trek” shows: “the people fans can name when they think of Asians on ‘Star Trek,’” says Yu. “But right now, I’m still having a blast talking to people who were on that one memorable episode, because it allows me to have more nuanced conversations on the audition, the make-up, the set. But there are series regulars I want to book like George Takei, John Cho. And if I got Michelle Yeoh, that would be the time to pack up the show.”

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Michelle Krusiec

Birth Date: October 2, 1974

Age: 49 years old, birth place: fallon, nevada.

A versatile Chinese-American actor well-versed in both comedic and dramatic performance, Michelle Krusiec earned widespread praise for her role in the Alice Wu-directed indie comedy-drama "Saving Face." Raised by adoptive parents in Virginia Beach, Virginia, Krusiec immersed herself in acting from an early age, enrolling in a drama program at a prestigious arts-oriented magnet school. After honing her talents at Virginia Tech and Oxford University, Krusiec earned her first commercial TV job as the host of the Discovery Channel's "Travelers."

She went on to play comic characters on the Saturday morning sitcom "One World" (as part of a multi-ethnic household) and the spoofy teen drama "Popular" (as exchange student Exquisite Woo), and had a recurring role on the Emmy-nominated sitcom "Titus." But it was her dramatic turn as a gay Chinese-American surgeon caught between two cultures in 2004's "Saving Face" that brought her to the attention of film critics and earned her a Best Actress nomination at the 2005 Golden Horse Awards (Taiwan's equivalent of the Academy Awards).

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Michelle Krusiec guest starred on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine in the sixth season episode "Time's Orphan" as a teenage, feral Molly O'Brien -- her first acting job. She is perhaps best known for her starring role in the indie romantic comedy Saving Face, and most recently, she portrayed screen legend Anna May Wong in the Netflix series Hollywood.

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‘Hollywood’ star Michelle Krusiec: “It’s rare to see risks taken on unknown actors of colour”

Krusiec talks to NME about portraying Anna May Wong, her experiences in Hollywood and getting a standing ovation on set

Ryan Murphy’s recent series Hollywood showed the Golden Age of cinema in a different light – one that reckoned with diversity and representation decades before the film industry did in reality. Its fictional lead actress Camille Washington (played by Laura Harrier) ended the series by becoming the first black actress to pick up an Oscar, while Chinese-American actress Anna May Wong (Michelle Krusiec) got her own trophy as Best Supporting Actress.

• READ MORE: Hollywood review: overlooked actors become household names in Ryan Murphy’s Tinseltown jaunt

In real life, Wong never won an Oscar. Instead, she watched on from the sidelines when Luise Rainer collected the Best Actress award for the role of O-lan in The Good Earth – a Chinese character that Wong had auditioned to play, but had been overlooked in favour of the German Rainer.

“Asian-Americans aren’t seen as having a place in history, which is actually not true,” Michelle Krusiec, who plays Wong in Hollywood , says. “But that’s the perception Hollywood has, right?” Speaking to NME from her home in LA, she tells us more about what it’s like to play a part in getting Wong the recognition she deserves, her own experiences as an Asian-American actress in the industry, and her favourite moment from filming Murphy’s latest series.

How did looking into Anna May Wong for Hollywood change your perspective on her?

Michelle Kruseic: “I never really knew what her actual story was. I just remember thinking when I was a young actor, ‘How could she not have gone on to do bigger things?’ She seemed to be really gorgeous, really talented. What prevented her from crossing that “bamboo ceiling”? Of course, in your 20s, you don’t really understand the systems that are in place when it comes to systemic racism. When I looked into her life for the purposes of Hollywood , I started to really understand just what she was up against as an Asian-American actress in the early 1920s and ‘30s – the perceptions at the time and how racist they were. 100 years later and we’re still dealing with the same perceptions.”

Do your own experiences have similarities with Anna May Wong’s?

“Yeah, I definitely think so. I think that my experience [was] bumping up against the same systems that were there for her 100 years ago. [They’ve] remained. Not much has changed in terms of how Asians are cast; how they’re cast opposite white leads. They’re usually in service of a white protagonist’s role or they’re servicing a utilitarian function, which is what Anna May Wong was cast as generally – always the villain, the person who was killed, never really having a primary throughline where she got to show a lot of complexity. I have a running joke with my family where I tell them, ‘I don’t die in this one’, so I die in quite a bit of my roles as well – I told a friend I wanted to do a death reel.”

What needs to change in the industry for those racial stereotypes to dissipate?

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“I think there has to be some acknowledgement by major Hollywood productions and those who are in charge – to really look at how Asian-Americans are being used in movies and in their storytelling, and to acknowledge how we are marginalised, how the roles that are offered to us feel perfunctory.”

“As we all know, you don’t just come running out of the gate truly talented. Most stars today have been developed over many years. Someone like Jennifer Lawrence was an overnight success in a way, but someone took a risk on her and gave her an opportunity to be a lead in a film. It’s very rare to see those kinds of risks being taken on unknown people of colour or actors who are in an underrepresented category.”

Have you noticed a shift in the roles that you’ve been offered recently?

“Personally, I’ve witnessed that there has been a change. There does feel like a sea change towards attitudes and openness. I’m in a place where I’m now facing ageism. So on top of being a woman of colour, I’m now in an ageist type of group. I’m not so privy to what’s happening for the younger actors and actresses, which I think is probably more exciting now than it was when I was coming through the ranks.”

What was your favourite moment from filming Hollywood ?

“I think my favourite moment was the day I shot the audition sequence. It’s the scene where you see [Anna May] doing The Good Earth audition. That was a very long day and [we shot] so many different angles. I had to play that very emotional thing over and over and over again. At the end of that, I received a standing ovation and it felt almost like I was at the theatre.”

Ryan Murphy has spoken about doing more with Hollywood – would you be interested in revisiting Anna May’s story?

“I definitely would do something with Ryan, for sure. I think he’s a very, very savvy storyteller and I think he has his finger on the pulse of what the culture wants. I had so much fun doing this so I think it would be great to delve to her more deeply.”

Murphy often collaborates with an actor on multiple projects. Which of his shows would you like to work on?

“I think this is [my dream] one! I did a series called Popular many years ago, which was one of his first series when he first began writing. That was also the same kind of energy, where you could feel he was this young, exciting writer with a voice. I would love for him to do something more on Anna May Wong. It would be fun to see her in her series, which was The Gallery of Madame Liu-Tsong . She played a detective and she was the first Asian-American woman with her own TV show but it was taped live to air and no known footage remains. It would be fun to re-create that series as her.”

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Highest Rated: 96% Nanking (2007)

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Birthday: Oct 2, 1974

Birthplace: Fallon, Nevada, USA

A versatile Chinese-American actor well-versed in both comedic and dramatic performance, Michelle Krusiec earned widespread praise for her role in the Alice Wu-directed indie comedy-drama "Saving Face." Raised by adoptive parents in Virginia Beach, Virginia, Krusiec immersed herself in acting from an early age, enrolling in a drama program at a prestigious arts-oriented magnet school. After honing her talents at Virginia Tech and Oxford University, Krusiec earned her first commercial TV job as the host of the Discovery Channel's "Travelers." She went on to play comic characters on the Saturday morning sitcom "One World" (as part of a multi-ethnic household) and the spoofy teen drama "Popular" (as exchange student Exquisite Woo), and had a recurring role on the Emmy-nominated sitcom "Titus." But it was her dramatic turn as a gay Chinese-American surgeon caught between two cultures in 2004's "Saving Face" that brought her to the attention of film critics and earned her a Best Actress nomination at the 2005 Golden Horse Awards (Taiwan's equivalent of the Academy Awards).

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Interview w. Michelle Krusiec (They Live in the Grey – Shudder)

From Star Trek to CSI, Fringe through to the reboot of Hawaii Five-O, Michelle Krusiec has had an impressive acting career from the 90’s to present.

Just released is the exclusive Shudder horror film, They Live in the Grey .

Michelle plays a clairvoyant called Claire Yang in a creepy scarefest of a film made by the Vang Brothers that hearkens to the likes of Insidious and Sixth Sense.

Thanks to our mates at Shudder, we were able to have a virtual chat with Michelle.

Shane: Hi Michelle, thanks so much for chatting with us here at STG. You’ve had a stellar career in both film and television, even Star Trek if we go back to the early days, CSI, the reboot of Hawaii Five-O and now They Live in the grey. What has been the highlight of it all so far?

Michelle: I think the fact that people are really responding to the emotional journey of the film and not, you know, it’s a horror film but I think it delivers on a psychological experience and sometimes where films give you all of the the spooks and scares but this one gives you something else in addition to that, and I think the fact that people are responding to that is delightful for me. Given that I looked at it as more of an acting film as opposed to a you know, just typical like horror film.

I did another movie called The Invitation (2015) which I had a smaller part in it. And that was, for me, more of a psychological drama and I feel like They Live in the Grey is definitely, I would classify that as classified horror, with a psychological component.

Shane: This is the first horror film that you’ve done, right?

Michelle: Yeah. Yeah, I don’t think I realized how much of a horror it was like, oh, it’s that much blood? You know, in my mind, it was always a little more realistic. Some of the stunts they were doing I thought you know… but no, they’re really going for it. So when I saw it for the first time, I thought, oh, yeah, okay. In my mind, it was just a psychological drama.

Shane: They Live in the Grey is a supernatural horror where you play the main character of Claire Yang. What was it like to go from the likes of TV Series and drama / action films to horror?

Michelle: It wasn’t that different in terms of the way I would play a part, you know, in any in any project but having to stop and and for them to say we’re gonna Green Screen this or you have to imagine, you know, this is happening because that’s what we’re gonna lay in later.

Like for me that was interesting.

I haven’t worked with a ton of those kinds of special effects. So, you know, that’s a part of filmmaking anyways, because it’s so technical. But in terms of, you know, what they were doing on set, they would set up the tone and and you know, granted sometimes effects took the whole process, then you would do the acting and then there was the stunt and then you would maybe get back to the acting if there was time.

I wasn’t surprised so much by that but I did realize like, oh, this is this is them doing their magic behind the scenes and how they get to scare an audience. So that was that was really an enjoyable part of it.

Shane: Claire Yang has the gift of seeing spirits – can you tell us if you’ve ever had any supernatural experiences yourself?

Michelle: I have not had any experiences. So I’m glad to say and I’m very happy to tell you that. I’m not going to open the door on that one as much as you might. Shane I want to stay in the secular world.

But I definitely am somebody who comes from a superstitious culture because you know, Chinese culture is very superstitious. I’m wearing my red band because it’s the Year of the Tiger and I’m a Tiger. So they say, you know, Tigers have to protect themselves. So I am superstitious.

But, you know, I do believe that there probably is the supernatural and the paranormal, but not in my life, only for other people.

Shane: The aim of horror films is to give audiences a good scare. They Live in the Grey is both scary and creepy. Is being on set of a horror film anywhere near as frightening as what audiences can expect when they watch this film?

Michelle: You know what… this house we shot in was haunted and I’m just like, I must have blocked it out.

There was definitely things going on in the house that we shot in. It was not a comfortable house to be in.

The set that you see is very realistic. There was no production designer who came in or we changed anything or renovated the house so that it looked you know, a certain way.

I mean, when you walk into that house, it’s already preset for you.

I felt very presence. Yeah. To the point where I remember not wanting to be in some of the rooms by myself. And normally onset I always want to be by myself so I can prep but this one felt uncomfortable. There was some energy in the space and it wasn’t nice. It was good for the movie, but I was very happy to leave that location.

Michelle: Oh, yeah. You know what, there was also something where I took a picture because I was trying to show my husband this old cabinet in the house, because my husband is into vintage furniture and I remember taking a picture and then when I showed it to him, there was something else in the photo that wasn’t there before.

I showed it to the Vang Brothers and that’s when they told me that the house was haunted. Oh, it’s coming back to me. I blocked it. I blocked it Shane!

Shane: They Live in the Grey debuts exclusively to Shudder on the 17th of February 2022. In your own words, what can horror hungry viewers expect?

Michelle: I think they can expect a film that is filled with spooks and creepy scares and frights.

But also an unexpected journey about a family who’s going through a crisis and the possibility of how do you take perhaps the worst thing you could go through as a parent and turn it into something that might be the new chapter in one’s life, which is what Claire has and how she ends in the movie.

She’s opening a new chapter into her next arena of clairvoyance. Hopefully that didn’t give away the ending though guys.

Shane: Lastly, the Vang Brothers mentioned in a statement recently there are not many Asian leads in western produced horror films. This makes They Live in the Grey a truly special and unique movie. What would you say makes They Live in the Grey a must see for any horror fan?

Michelle: I think it delivers everything you want in a horror film, but in an artistic and an artful way that allows you to not be embarrassed because, you know, some horror films you’re like, oh my gosh, there’s just so much blood and gore.

And it might be fun, but you’re never gonna go see it again. You know, you’re probably gonna see it once and that’s it.

And this is the kind of movie you you’ll return to and it will provoke thought, it doesn’t make you wait for it. You know, it’s not a slow burn. It’s not something that you’ve got to sit through two hours and then it’s all only in the ending.

I think it’s a really fun ride but it delivers a really emotional experience that’s unexpected.

Shane: Thanks you so much Michelle for chatting to us about your amazing career and the film They Live in the Grey.

They Live in the Grey is streaming on Shudder from the 17th of February 2022.

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Hana Hatae ( born 15 July 1988 ; age 36) is an actress who played Molly O'Brien in the Star Trek: The Next Generation sixth season episode " Rascals " and in eleven episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine .

She was born in the Tarzana neighborhood of Los Angeles, California.

She has since reprised her role as Molly in an episode of the fan series Star Trek: Renegades entitled "The Requiem" (credited as "Ensign O'Riley"). She was interviewed in the 2018 documentary What We Left Behind from former Deep Space Nine showrunner Ira Steven Behr .

In addition to her work on Star Trek , Hatae was also featured in an episode of the comedy series Family Matters in 1998 entitled "Polkapalooza", in which she played "Steve Urkel #3".

In 2009, she briefly returned to acting with a bit role in the comedy drama My Suicide . She also appeared in the independent science fiction films 5th Passenger (2017) alongside Doug Jones , Manu Intiraymi , Marina Sirtis , Tim Russ , Armin Shimerman , Ryan T. Husk , and Rico E. Anderson , and The Circuit (2019), with Doug Jones, Terry Farrell , Olivia d'Abo , René Auberjonois , John Billingsley , J.G. Hertzler , Ethan Phillips , Armin Shimerman, Robert Beltran , Tim Russ, Robert O'Reilly , and Manu Intiraymi.

In 2010, Hatae appeared as herself on the Fox television show Kitchen Nightmares in an episode involving her family's sushi restaurant Sushi-ko. As of that airing, she was working as a hostess and waitress. Her brother, mother, and father also appeared in that episode. Their family restaurant closed in August 2009. [1] (X)

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• TNG : " Rascals "
• " A Man Alone "
• " If Wishes Were Horses "
• " The Siege "
• " Whispers "
• " Fascination "
• " Accession "
• " Hard Time "
• " Body Parts "
• " The Assignment "
• " Time's Orphan "
• " What You Leave Behind "

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• Hana Hatae at the Internet Movie Database
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